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		<title>By: Kitty von Blowhole</title>
		<link>http://www.lytrules.com/blog/2005/06/27/laff-2005-notorious/comment-page-1/#comment-10861</link>
		<dc:creator>Kitty von Blowhole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In thirty years, some snotnose will be trashing your generation&#039;s most respected movies. And they will have no grasp of context either, and parse everything against what reality in a film looks like in 2039; which assuredly will look nothing ike what you consider film realism today.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In thirty years, some snotnose will be trashing your generation&#8217;s most respected movies. And they will have no grasp of context either, and parse everything against what reality in a film looks like in 2039; which assuredly will look nothing ike what you consider film realism today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper von blowhool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper von blowhool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh... There are major reasons to dislike Notorious, but you covered none of them in your bewildered, half-understood blatherings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh&#8230; There are major reasons to dislike Notorious, but you covered none of them in your bewildered, half-understood blatherings.</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
		<link>http://www.lytrules.com/blog/2005/06/27/laff-2005-notorious/comment-page-1/#comment-10859</link>
		<dc:creator>reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 05:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re an idiot.</description>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.lytrules.com/blog/2005/06/27/laff-2005-notorious/comment-page-1/#comment-10858</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19970817/REVIEWS08/40802008/1023&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roger Ebert&#039;s Review&lt;/a&gt;

I know I just posted to this one but I thought I&#039;d add a link to another reviewer&#039;s opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19970817/REVIEWS08/40802008/1023" rel="nofollow">Roger Ebert&#8217;s Review</a></p>
<p>I know I just posted to this one but I thought I&#8217;d add a link to another reviewer&#8217;s opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.lytrules.com/blog/2005/06/27/laff-2005-notorious/comment-page-1/#comment-10857</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had to suggest a film to you it would be Vertigo.  Stewart is masterful in it and it has strong elements of camera work and using the film to help tell the story.  However, like Notorious it has what some today would connsider an entirely unsatisfying ending (though I think its terrific).  It is however a great film and a wondeful study of obsession.  

As for Notorious.  I rather loved the film.  I felt the suspense all the way through and was somewhat like a caged panther while I worried about Alicia&#039;s well being.  The film is certainly dated in terms of who the bad guys are and in one other point that I find sad to call dated.  It uses a common Hitch double theme.  We see the overbearing dominant mother figure who prods and bothers her son.  We also see however that Alicia is the character in central peril, this drives men to wish to see her safe to pray that she is spared in time, it plays on the now dead or at least dying idea of chivalry in men.  It also plays on the notion that we have a woman who is &quot;not a lady&quot; but who is willing to risk everything as if she were a man and we love her for it.  These dual themes carrying the idea that women both drive us crazy and are what we seek to protect are dated but shouldn&#039;t be.

The ending upsets younger audiences but to me it was terrific.  You are left to believe that Alicia will probably be ok but you have no way of really knowing if the poison has already gone too far so you are left to think about whether she lives or dies.  You also might like to think the Nazi&#039;s are caught but it is just as easy to presume that they are not and so we have an ending that not only allows audience conclusions but leaves you thinking that maybe the &quot;bad guys&quot; get away with one.  Except for Alexander and his mother, we know they get to die.  Its is there to show that not everything in life ends up in nice neat pretty little packages..in fact few things do.

I&#039;ve shown some Hitch movies to my kids and the ones they like best are North By Northwest and Dial M For Murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to suggest a film to you it would be Vertigo.  Stewart is masterful in it and it has strong elements of camera work and using the film to help tell the story.  However, like Notorious it has what some today would connsider an entirely unsatisfying ending (though I think its terrific).  It is however a great film and a wondeful study of obsession.  </p>
<p>As for Notorious.  I rather loved the film.  I felt the suspense all the way through and was somewhat like a caged panther while I worried about Alicia&#8217;s well being.  The film is certainly dated in terms of who the bad guys are and in one other point that I find sad to call dated.  It uses a common Hitch double theme.  We see the overbearing dominant mother figure who prods and bothers her son.  We also see however that Alicia is the character in central peril, this drives men to wish to see her safe to pray that she is spared in time, it plays on the now dead or at least dying idea of chivalry in men.  It also plays on the notion that we have a woman who is &#8220;not a lady&#8221; but who is willing to risk everything as if she were a man and we love her for it.  These dual themes carrying the idea that women both drive us crazy and are what we seek to protect are dated but shouldn&#8217;t be.</p>
<p>The ending upsets younger audiences but to me it was terrific.  You are left to believe that Alicia will probably be ok but you have no way of really knowing if the poison has already gone too far so you are left to think about whether she lives or dies.  You also might like to think the Nazi&#8217;s are caught but it is just as easy to presume that they are not and so we have an ending that not only allows audience conclusions but leaves you thinking that maybe the &#8220;bad guys&#8221; get away with one.  Except for Alexander and his mother, we know they get to die.  Its is there to show that not everything in life ends up in nice neat pretty little packages..in fact few things do.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve shown some Hitch movies to my kids and the ones they like best are North By Northwest and Dial M For Murder.</p>
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		<title>By: deadmanswill</title>
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		<dc:creator>deadmanswill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 13:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say what you&#039;ve written is not a critical review but an opinion of yours. Which being said, I would disagree with you on the matter of suspense. And I see that you watched the movie with the words of Hitchcock and Suspense ringing in your mind. True, one is always influenced by such words and the hype associated with Hitchcock.

Of course you do not expect an old movie to be fresh as a dew drop. Hitchcock always used rear projection and if that is going to bother you, you would not enjoy any of his movies. Many films of that time used rear projection. It was &#039;the graphics&#039; of that time. And if you are complaining about filming in studios, you better altogether give the 40&#039;s and 50&#039;s a miss.

One point that I get from your review was that you were expecting a suspense spy movie and what you got was a romantic triangle in the spy backdrop. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, in fact I found it  far more enjoyable than Psycho and Rear Window.

Frankly, I did not find anything laughable or outdated in this particular movie. The story was fine, the screenplay was good and so was staging and performance.

And don&#039;t even use the word &#039;acts&#039;. As a professional critic you must understand audience don&#039;t judge a film by its &#039;acts&#039;. They either find it good or bad. And I can only say that you had &#039;acts&#039; in mind and expected one more of it and were consequently felt betrayed. For me the film was as complete as it could be. In fact, the ending is so novel that you could never call such a film dated. You wanted a lots of gun play and other heroic stuff in the end and see justice done. 

What you fail to grasp is that if the spies were nabbed in the end, the film might not have had such popular acclaim. Being a daughter of a German Father and an American Mother, the daughter can be spying for Germans and yet be justified. Hitchcock chose her character to be loyal to America because he was making an American film. So he knew it would be very wise to leave the spy part open to conclusions. Rather he nicely concluded the riveting drama of the love triangle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say what you&#8217;ve written is not a critical review but an opinion of yours. Which being said, I would disagree with you on the matter of suspense. And I see that you watched the movie with the words of Hitchcock and Suspense ringing in your mind. True, one is always influenced by such words and the hype associated with Hitchcock.</p>
<p>Of course you do not expect an old movie to be fresh as a dew drop. Hitchcock always used rear projection and if that is going to bother you, you would not enjoy any of his movies. Many films of that time used rear projection. It was &#8216;the graphics&#8217; of that time. And if you are complaining about filming in studios, you better altogether give the 40&#8217;s and 50&#8217;s a miss.</p>
<p>One point that I get from your review was that you were expecting a suspense spy movie and what you got was a romantic triangle in the spy backdrop. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, in fact I found it  far more enjoyable than Psycho and Rear Window.</p>
<p>Frankly, I did not find anything laughable or outdated in this particular movie. The story was fine, the screenplay was good and so was staging and performance.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t even use the word &#8216;acts&#8217;. As a professional critic you must understand audience don&#8217;t judge a film by its &#8216;acts&#8217;. They either find it good or bad. And I can only say that you had &#8216;acts&#8217; in mind and expected one more of it and were consequently felt betrayed. For me the film was as complete as it could be. In fact, the ending is so novel that you could never call such a film dated. You wanted a lots of gun play and other heroic stuff in the end and see justice done. </p>
<p>What you fail to grasp is that if the spies were nabbed in the end, the film might not have had such popular acclaim. Being a daughter of a German Father and an American Mother, the daughter can be spying for Germans and yet be justified. Hitchcock chose her character to be loyal to America because he was making an American film. So he knew it would be very wise to leave the spy part open to conclusions. Rather he nicely concluded the riveting drama of the love triangle.</p>
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		<title>By: Brit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there...
Just had to agree with the fact that your critique is incredibly immature.  (And I really enjoy that one of your responses was &quot;yeah, but I&#039;m still getting paid.&quot;  Which makes me question your priorities in life in general)... Yes the movie is &quot;dated,&quot; what a stupid thing to write about... guess what? the movie is dated because it was made in 1946!  It&#039;s called technology that didn&#039;t exist... this is like saying that the Puritans should have had online banking... the two simply did not exist in the same time.  Also- are ther special effects the only thing you go to see movies for today?  I hope not, because you are missing why people like Alfred Hitchcock made films in the first place, and why people continue to make art today.



[Sigh...another knee-jerk response, I see. I write for contemporary viewers, Brit, and it&#039;s entirely valid as a point of criticism to say that the story simply does not hold up as a believable one by contemporary standards. It&#039;s NOT all about the incredibly bad and often unnecessary rear-projection. One of my favorite movies is Wings, from 1922 - silent, but the story completely holds up. I&#039;ve defended older movies to my friends on the basis that they need to be seen through a filter of the times. But there&#039;s a limit -- when you start laughing at what was meant to be suspenseful, it has dated, and badly. I only mention I get paid because of the sheer number of newcomers who seem to think I&#039;m just &quot;some guy with a website&quot; rather than a professional film critic who does in fact do this for a living, like it or not. -- LYT]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there&#8230;<br />
Just had to agree with the fact that your critique is incredibly immature.  (And I really enjoy that one of your responses was &#8220;yeah, but I&#8217;m still getting paid.&#8221;  Which makes me question your priorities in life in general)&#8230; Yes the movie is &#8220;dated,&#8221; what a stupid thing to write about&#8230; guess what? the movie is dated because it was made in 1946!  It&#8217;s called technology that didn&#8217;t exist&#8230; this is like saying that the Puritans should have had online banking&#8230; the two simply did not exist in the same time.  Also- are ther special effects the only thing you go to see movies for today?  I hope not, because you are missing why people like Alfred Hitchcock made films in the first place, and why people continue to make art today.</p>
<p>[Sigh...another knee-jerk response, I see. I write for contemporary viewers, Brit, and it's entirely valid as a point of criticism to say that the story simply does not hold up as a believable one by contemporary standards. It's NOT all about the incredibly bad and often unnecessary rear-projection. One of my favorite movies is Wings, from 1922 - silent, but the story completely holds up. I've defended older movies to my friends on the basis that they need to be seen through a filter of the times. But there's a limit -- when you start laughing at what was meant to be suspenseful, it has dated, and badly. I only mention I get paid because of the sheer number of newcomers who seem to think I'm just "some guy with a website" rather than a professional film critic who does in fact do this for a living, like it or not. -- LYT]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jun 2006 06:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a lot of problems with your specific critiques, as well as how you review this movie in general.  First of all, just because it is different from current movies doesn&#039;t make it &quot;dated.&quot;  Yes if it were remade today it very well could have had another act, but couldn&#039;t that be one of the problems with movies today?  That was one of the greatest endings of any movie I&#039;ve ever seen.  The character who mistrusted Alicia escaped with her to freedom, while the one who trusted her marches up the stairs to his death.  Can&#039;t you see the brilliance in how Hitchcock blurs the line between good and evil, as we feel sorry for the &quot;evil&quot; man who truly loved Alicia?
    You see, the nazis, the uranium, thats not the important part of the story.  Whether the nazis are caught, though it is assumed that they will be, is really of no consequence.  This is the canvas Hitchock uses to give us the suspense and romance of this love triangle.  And how can you say there is no suspense in the movie except for the very end?  Hoe about the whole scene with the key and the wine cellar?  Yes this may not be as riveting as the special-effects ridden movies of today, but isn&#039;t it more fufilling?  I think the beauty of some of the classics is how much they can do with characters, dialogue, and camerawork, without any of the special effects of today.  The result is a much deeper movie, one that makes you think.
    And the camerawork is amazing, especially for the time.  Look at the scene where Devlin plays the recording to Alicia to prove to her her patriotism.  At the beginning she is in shadow, then a few bars of light, then completely in the sunlight, mirroring her true self being revealed in the tape.  How about the shot of the liqour glass at the beginning, which is mirrored by the later shots of the poisoned cofee cup.
   Wow, Ive written a lot, but I really enjoyed this movie.  Im not trying to attack your review, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I hope this can help you to understand why many consider Hitchcock a genius, and why many love this movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of problems with your specific critiques, as well as how you review this movie in general.  First of all, just because it is different from current movies doesn&#8217;t make it &#8220;dated.&#8221;  Yes if it were remade today it very well could have had another act, but couldn&#8217;t that be one of the problems with movies today?  That was one of the greatest endings of any movie I&#8217;ve ever seen.  The character who mistrusted Alicia escaped with her to freedom, while the one who trusted her marches up the stairs to his death.  Can&#8217;t you see the brilliance in how Hitchcock blurs the line between good and evil, as we feel sorry for the &#8220;evil&#8221; man who truly loved Alicia?<br />
    You see, the nazis, the uranium, thats not the important part of the story.  Whether the nazis are caught, though it is assumed that they will be, is really of no consequence.  This is the canvas Hitchock uses to give us the suspense and romance of this love triangle.  And how can you say there is no suspense in the movie except for the very end?  Hoe about the whole scene with the key and the wine cellar?  Yes this may not be as riveting as the special-effects ridden movies of today, but isn&#8217;t it more fufilling?  I think the beauty of some of the classics is how much they can do with characters, dialogue, and camerawork, without any of the special effects of today.  The result is a much deeper movie, one that makes you think.<br />
    And the camerawork is amazing, especially for the time.  Look at the scene where Devlin plays the recording to Alicia to prove to her her patriotism.  At the beginning she is in shadow, then a few bars of light, then completely in the sunlight, mirroring her true self being revealed in the tape.  How about the shot of the liqour glass at the beginning, which is mirrored by the later shots of the poisoned cofee cup.<br />
   Wow, Ive written a lot, but I really enjoyed this movie.  Im not trying to attack your review, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I hope this can help you to understand why many consider Hitchcock a genius, and why many love this movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Melly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Melly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 16:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh - there is a remake, it&#039;s called Mission Impossible 2.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Aside from that, sorry you didn&#039;t like the film, but a couple of your crits. are slightly odd. Okay, you don&#039;t like back-screen projection, and, yes, it looks dated now, but it&#039;s an odd thing to object to in an old film. However, the one I&#039;ve really got to pick up on is the crit. that Berg. looks okay when she&#039;s ill. I mean, c&#039;mon, this sh*t is still going on in films today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh &#8211; there is a remake, it&#8217;s called Mission Impossible 2.</p>
<p>Aside from that, sorry you didn&#8217;t like the film, but a couple of your crits. are slightly odd. Okay, you don&#8217;t like back-screen projection, and, yes, it looks dated now, but it&#8217;s an odd thing to object to in an old film. However, the one I&#8217;ve really got to pick up on is the crit. that Berg. looks okay when she&#8217;s ill. I mean, c&#8217;mon, this sh*t is still going on in films today.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 17:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, I can&#039;t believe your parents let you use the computer.</description>
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