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		<title>By: LYT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LYT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Steve - busy week, but I shot him a response via Facebook.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Steve &#8211; busy week, but I shot him a response via Facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: qdpsteve</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke, FYI: &lt;a href=&quot;http://patterico.com/2009/06/19/la-times-hit-piece-on-jill-stewart-la-weekly-staff-writer-responds/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Patterico is trying to reach you.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke, FYI: <a href="http://patterico.com/2009/06/19/la-times-hit-piece-on-jill-stewart-la-weekly-staff-writer-responds/" rel="nofollow">Patterico is trying to reach you.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE THIS SONG -- ONE OF MY FAVORITES!  I still have the 12-inch vinyl LP.  I know it was a favorite in many scratching DJ parties I used to go to!  I never knew there was a music video?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE THIS SONG &#8212; ONE OF MY FAVORITES!  I still have the 12-inch vinyl LP.  I know it was a favorite in many scratching DJ parties I used to go to!  I never knew there was a music video?!?</p>
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		<title>By: offpat</title>
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		<dc:creator>offpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the explanation - re links - I can see your point better now - amazing as a word doesn&#039;t mean anything other than amazing in my world...

you did say it seemed futuristic - i was genuinely puzzled as to how it would seem so at the time - those videos I linked to - which, as you say, were then/are much more popular, expose it as not - but your explanation is kind of a relief and what I was expecting since I know you don&#039;t suffer from the anti-populist bullshit that so many I know still seem to think passes for &quot;taste&quot;.

though I still disagree about that song - don&#039;t think its got a riff at all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the explanation &#8211; re links &#8211; I can see your point better now &#8211; amazing as a word doesn&#8217;t mean anything other than amazing in my world&#8230;</p>
<p>you did say it seemed futuristic &#8211; i was genuinely puzzled as to how it would seem so at the time &#8211; those videos I linked to &#8211; which, as you say, were then/are much more popular, expose it as not &#8211; but your explanation is kind of a relief and what I was expecting since I know you don&#8217;t suffer from the anti-populist bullshit that so many I know still seem to think passes for &#8220;taste&#8221;.</p>
<p>though I still disagree about that song &#8211; don&#8217;t think its got a riff at all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LYT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LYT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think we&#039;re talking past each other a bit here.

Showing me stuff that has dated &quot;better&quot; is beside the point, since my heading right upfront tells you this has dated incredibly badly, which was my point -- seemed so futuristic at the time, but ultimately was very much not. If you don&#039;t see how it was, well -- Matt got it, and so did kids like me at the time. Or so we thought.

The term &quot;amazing&quot; doesn&#039;t necessarily denote &quot;of most artistic merit&quot; when I use it. The Room is one of my favorite movies to watch, for example, but it is absolutely not what it was intended to be. It is perhaps the funniest movie I&#039;ve ever seen, but it is pretty objectively not the best-constructed comedy film.

As for obscure -- this was top forty stuff when it came out - total one-hit wonder though. And it&#039;s a song I enjoy, with a fairly memorable riff.

Why would I put up Youtube vids of Bowie and Talking Heads, etc., when everyone already knows who they are? I tend to put up stuff I grew up with that everyone has forgotten about, or weird stuff I just discovered. The blog is not the same as my personal CD collection.

Any anti-elitism coming from me comes from years of people judging my intelligence based on my personal tastes. I like stuff all over the spectrum, including cheesy stuff.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think we&#8217;re talking past each other a bit here.</p>
<p>Showing me stuff that has dated &#8220;better&#8221; is beside the point, since my heading right upfront tells you this has dated incredibly badly, which was my point &#8212; seemed so futuristic at the time, but ultimately was very much not. If you don&#8217;t see how it was, well &#8212; Matt got it, and so did kids like me at the time. Or so we thought.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;amazing&#8221; doesn&#8217;t necessarily denote &#8220;of most artistic merit&#8221; when I use it. The Room is one of my favorite movies to watch, for example, but it is absolutely not what it was intended to be. It is perhaps the funniest movie I&#8217;ve ever seen, but it is pretty objectively not the best-constructed comedy film.</p>
<p>As for obscure &#8212; this was top forty stuff when it came out &#8211; total one-hit wonder though. And it&#8217;s a song I enjoy, with a fairly memorable riff.</p>
<p>Why would I put up Youtube vids of Bowie and Talking Heads, etc., when everyone already knows who they are? I tend to put up stuff I grew up with that everyone has forgotten about, or weird stuff I just discovered. The blog is not the same as my personal CD collection.</p>
<p>Any anti-elitism coming from me comes from years of people judging my intelligence based on my personal tastes. I like stuff all over the spectrum, including cheesy stuff.</p>
<p>Also, your comment went into moderation because three or more links triggers it automatically.</p>
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		<title>By: offpat</title>
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		<dc:creator>offpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope -missed point there Luke - worst OF the 80s, not bad 80s. There is good stuff from the 80s that I like (linked below)- late 70s and 80s is when I did most of my rock concert going after all, averaging 2 gigs a week for a while.

 - nothing to do with your childhood music = bad, mine= good - I know plenty of similarly crap music from the 50s 60s and 70s, before, during and after my childhood - I have hope that we can all separate musically duff stuff from what was inventive, original or at least fun. 
Some of the music you like is exactly that, original, musical and inventive, so I assume you can differenciate.
 ...and arguing over tastes is fun too, we are not all supposed to agree, absolutely, but there is a kind of perverse anti-elitism as well as silly elitism that often creeps in to these arguments.
 
my question is whether the childhood early exposure to this example, and a few others, before musical taste has had a chance to develop, means that you are forever bound to see it as &quot;amazing&quot; when as an adult, judgment would surely reveal it to be well, not just dated but dull. 
I can remember being impressed with &quot;Jake the Peg&quot; when I was about 9, but I wouldn&#039;t have described it as amazing by the time I was 19...
if I saw a video of that now it might amuse me for 20 seconds I suppose, but not much longer than that.
that&#039;s what I mean by the nostalgia element.

if you want an example of &quot;futuristic music&quot; that has stood up better than some to time passing I would suggest Kraftwerk, but other music that doesn&#039;t TRY to be futuristic stands a much better chance. I really couldn&#039;t see what was futuristic about that piece above at all - Duran Duran (and I didn&#039;t really like them much) and a hundred others had already covered the same ground but with better tunes. 

as for something that has dated better from the very early 80s, virtually any Queen - &lt;a href=&quot;http://videos.sapo.pt/1h5KCaG18hmdOuPyvvgD&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://videos.sapo.pt/1h5KCaG18hmdOuPyvvgD&lt;/a&gt;
and most Bowie...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftMRb.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftMRb.html&lt;/a&gt;
Talking Heads...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20vxi_talking-heads-road-to-nowhere_music&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20vxi_talking-heads-road-to-nowhere_music&lt;/a&gt;

and I would say that many of the hit British bands that I didn&#039;t like - with that &quot;sharp&quot; 80s hair and clothes - still made much more memorable stuff than that TransX vid. 
- so do you look for the obscure? and resist the popular? - David Byrne has a good take on folks who prefer obscure or &quot;difficult music&quot; on his web site - recommended.(I&#039;m not saying TransX is &quot;difficult&quot;, just well below the bar)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope -missed point there Luke &#8211; worst OF the 80s, not bad 80s. There is good stuff from the 80s that I like (linked below)- late 70s and 80s is when I did most of my rock concert going after all, averaging 2 gigs a week for a while.</p>
<p> &#8211; nothing to do with your childhood music = bad, mine= good &#8211; I know plenty of similarly crap music from the 50s 60s and 70s, before, during and after my childhood &#8211; I have hope that we can all separate musically duff stuff from what was inventive, original or at least fun.<br />
Some of the music you like is exactly that, original, musical and inventive, so I assume you can differenciate.<br />
 &#8230;and arguing over tastes is fun too, we are not all supposed to agree, absolutely, but there is a kind of perverse anti-elitism as well as silly elitism that often creeps in to these arguments.</p>
<p>my question is whether the childhood early exposure to this example, and a few others, before musical taste has had a chance to develop, means that you are forever bound to see it as &#8220;amazing&#8221; when as an adult, judgment would surely reveal it to be well, not just dated but dull.<br />
I can remember being impressed with &#8220;Jake the Peg&#8221; when I was about 9, but I wouldn&#8217;t have described it as amazing by the time I was 19&#8230;<br />
if I saw a video of that now it might amuse me for 20 seconds I suppose, but not much longer than that.<br />
that&#8217;s what I mean by the nostalgia element.</p>
<p>if you want an example of &#8220;futuristic music&#8221; that has stood up better than some to time passing I would suggest Kraftwerk, but other music that doesn&#8217;t TRY to be futuristic stands a much better chance. I really couldn&#8217;t see what was futuristic about that piece above at all &#8211; Duran Duran (and I didn&#8217;t really like them much) and a hundred others had already covered the same ground but with better tunes. </p>
<p>as for something that has dated better from the very early 80s, virtually any Queen &#8211; <a href="http://videos.sapo.pt/1h5KCaG18hmdOuPyvvgD" rel="nofollow">http://videos.sapo.pt/1h5KCaG18hmdOuPyvvgD</a><br />
and most Bowie&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftMRb.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kewego.com/video/iLyROoaftMRb.html</a><br />
Talking Heads&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20vxi_talking-heads-road-to-nowhere_music" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x20vxi_talking-heads-road-to-nowhere_music</a></p>
<p>and I would say that many of the hit British bands that I didn&#8217;t like &#8211; with that &#8220;sharp&#8221; 80s hair and clothes &#8211; still made much more memorable stuff than that TransX vid.<br />
- so do you look for the obscure? and resist the popular? &#8211; David Byrne has a good take on folks who prefer obscure or &#8220;difficult music&#8221; on his web site &#8211; recommended.(I&#8217;m not saying TransX is &#8220;difficult&#8221;, just well below the bar)</p>
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		<title>By: MAJK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAJK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it. funny stuff indeed. I remember that the future was supposed to have everything really pointy looking. classics crazy 80s..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it. funny stuff indeed. I remember that the future was supposed to have everything really pointy looking. classics crazy 80s..</p>
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		<title>By: LYT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LYT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, please link to the stuff from the &#039;70s that was way ahead...should be fun to see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, please link to the stuff from the &#8217;70s that was way ahead&#8230;should be fun to see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: LYT</title>
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		<dc:creator>LYT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lip-sync is standard issue...I couldn&#039;t find the actual music video, so this is merely a typical UK TV pop show performance.

&quot;I am puzzled by this nostalgia for the worst of the 80s&quot;
&quot;It might have been futuristic if it had been made in 1965-70...Marc Bolan and a hundred or so others were way ahead of this in the 70s...&quot;

In other words...had this been from MY childhood it&#039;d be awesome...but because it&#039;s from yours, and I was mature by then, it isn&#039;t...

I don&#039;t expect you to agree...but at least understand why the underlying assumptions in your argument don&#039;t work for those born in different decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lip-sync is standard issue&#8230;I couldn&#8217;t find the actual music video, so this is merely a typical UK TV pop show performance.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am puzzled by this nostalgia for the worst of the 80s&#8221;<br />
&#8220;It might have been futuristic if it had been made in 1965-70&#8230;Marc Bolan and a hundred or so others were way ahead of this in the 70s&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words&#8230;had this been from MY childhood it&#8217;d be awesome&#8230;but because it&#8217;s from yours, and I was mature by then, it isn&#8217;t&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect you to agree&#8230;but at least understand why the underlying assumptions in your argument don&#8217;t work for those born in different decades.</p>
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		<title>By: offpat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 09:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh? I am puzzled by this nostalgia for the worst of the 80s Luke...
It might have been futuristic if it had been made in 1965-70 - otherwise it looks like a typically bland and bad europop 80s piece with the usual bad lip syncing and no originality to any aspect of it...Marc Bolan and a hundred or so others were way ahead of this in the 70s...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh? I am puzzled by this nostalgia for the worst of the 80s Luke&#8230;<br />
It might have been futuristic if it had been made in 1965-70 &#8211; otherwise it looks like a typically bland and bad europop 80s piece with the usual bad lip syncing and no originality to any aspect of it&#8230;Marc Bolan and a hundred or so others were way ahead of this in the 70s&#8230;</p>
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